Let’s Talk About Finances

Budget meetings are so much more fun with treats (those are overnight oats!). We’ve had many a budget date at Mythical Coffee.

Recently I’ve been loving the Money For Couples podcast (also on YouTube if that’s your jam). Have you listened to it?

I love talking and thinking about personal finances so it’s fascinating to be a fly on the wall while another couples bares it all financially. Plus, listening to the challenges of other couples motivates me to keep up all the good financial management habits Chris and I have, and to lean in even more.

I’d love to know what’s going well and what’s challenging about managing your finances lately. If you’re married and co-managing finances, how do you communicate about money?

Chris and I have been using many of the same money management tools for a long time but there are a couple of newer or aspirational practices on my mind as well:

+ A shared budget spreadsheet. This is always where we start financial conversations. This breakdown shows how much money we make and where we want our money to go, including savings. We tend to make a new budget for each academic year since that’s the rhythm of our life. This budget is now out of date but here’s an example of our budget last academic year:

In our current shared budget spreadsheet (we use Google Sheets), Chris makes lots of planning notes out to the side, such as big expenses coming up, planned travel, and especially our summer budget. Planning for our summer finances is unique for us because technically Chris does not have guaranteed pay in the summer (as a professor, he’s on a 9-month contract) however, he always works very hard and strategically to ensure that he does get paid in the summer by continuing his research and teaching a class or two.

So we’ll make notes and to-dos (like “cancel ### subscription”) and forecast expenses and savings right there next to our budget. It’s really helpful to have that all in one spot because our current budget and financial planning obviously need to be in conversation.

+ Budget tracking software. We are heading into our third year of using Monarch and still really like it! To make a budget software work for you, it take some work to set up the categories and budgets to reflect how you think about and manage your money.

Monarch lets you create categories of spending and then individual budgets within the category. This is a portion of our “Miscellaneous” spending.

I’ll admit that I go through seasons where I’m very into tracking all our purchases and categorizing them…and then not look at it for months. I’m getting back into the habit of checking more often and that always feels good.

+ Budget updates and meetings. Chris and I love having budget meetings and financial summits (for more in-depth financial conversations and planning). It feels so good to know what’s happening with our money and to feel on the same page. For our finances, Chris is the one who closely tracks our bank account and bills and he’ll give me updates on everything. I am so appreciative of this and he does a great job. While it’s a luxury not to have to think about our finances so much, I do want to always have an active role. Which brings me to a newer practice…

+ Money Minute. Towards staying more connected to our finances, last year I started a practice called “Money Minutes.” This looks like taking a few minutes to: check Monarch and update any transactions, check my credit card balance, and think about any upcoming bigger expenses for myself or the family. Then I’ll send Chris a text that says “MONEY MINUTE:” and give any updates. Now Chris also send me Money Minute texts!

Calling these check-ins money minute is not only delightful in the alliteration but the name reminds me that it really takes very little time to check in on our money and that always makes me feel good.

+ Conscious Spending Plan. The CSP is a spreadsheet tool that Ramit uses on Money For Couples as a foundational tool to talk to his guests. To get the spreadsheet you do have to sign up with your email address but it’s worth it for the tool (and you can always unsubscribe after that).

In the CSP you enter all your financial information like income, fixed costs, assets, debts, savings, etc. In a single spreadsheet you get a very clear and honest picture of your money. It can take some time to pull these numbers together, depending on how often you are in touch with your finances, but just the practice of gathering all this information is so worth it.

Chris and I filled out a CSP last spring and I’d love to make in an annual practice. Or perhaps we should incorporate it into our annual summit.

So, I’d love to know: what financial tools and strategies are working well or not for you? Do you have any goals around finances where you’d like to improve, whether financial or related to communication or monitoring? I think the more we talk about finances in our culture the better we can all be with our money!

P.S. All my posts about personal finances.

14 responses to “Let’s Talk About Finances”

  1. Hana Avatar

    This is one of my favorite topics of all time! (And sidenote, I used to be a dedicated listener to your money podcast with Chris!) My husband and I also use Monarch and love it. We do great with day to day finances and savings, but an area I would like us to improve in is identifying longer term saving goals. We have all these ambiguous goals, like “save to renovate kitchen” and “save for big anniversary trip”, but no concrete numbers or timeline to keep us focused!

    1. Kelsey Avatar

      Aw love that you were a Matrimoney listener! That was such a fun project and one we still talk about. For longer term savings goals, one thing that helps us is having dedicated separate accounts. That was we can set a specific goal and watch it grow, and that money doesn’t end up getting used for other things. We use Capital One savings accounts because you can easily create as many as you like. We do our main banking with Bank of America but use Capital One as a way to have different savings “envelopes.” Maybe setting something like that up and then giving those big goals a a monthly automatic transfer to start and then setting some timelines. Another thing that has helped us is deciding a long term saving priority and then we know that if windfall comes our way or we have some extra on month that’s where we will put the money.

  2. Marty Avatar

    Your expenses are very similar to ours as a family of four in the northeast, except are electricity costs are insanely high ($500/month or more) and we pay for things like plowing! I like keeping things simple with a spreadsheet that I update a few times a month. Im really trying to make sure that my “extra” purchases bring me joy. So I usually write notes about whether I felt something was worth spending money on in my spreadsheet. I’m also keeping track of all my clothes items I’m buying this year, it’s helping me be more intentional with my clothing purchases and fill in gaps. Last year I bought a lot of new clothes for a new career and they didn’t all work out. I used to really enjoy your financial podcast as well!

    1. Kelsey Avatar

      Hi Marty! With our house in Eau Claire, WI we are experiencing those high electricity and plowing costs — I have had sticker shock this year and I am appreciating our mild AZ winters a little more. That is so smart to make notes about what brought you joy! I try to be so intentional with my purchases and then feel so irritated with myself when something did not work out or bring me job, but I try to see it as a lesson to use in the future. Your approach seems like it would help keep objectivity: noting what worked out/brought you joy and then moving on. Even being intentional, not every single purchase will be perfect I suppose!

  3. Ashley Avatar

    I love managing our finances and hearing about how others manage theirs! The picture of our finances I got with Ramit’s CSP was so valuable and really helped me see the bigger picture. My money challenge is talking with my partner. I, almost exclusively, do all the managing and I want to have money meetings but then I never know what to say! We’re working on it though.

    1. Kelsey Avatar

      Hi Ashley! I wonder if for your budget meetings if you had a short, specfic agenda that you always went through if that would help. Like, “Where are our credit cards right now (if you use them), What big expenses do we have coming up, and Where are we in and out of budget.” Perhaps a tool like Monarch would help give you those budget pictures so you can say, “We’ve spent our eating out budget so we need to just eat at home for the next week,” or “We still have date night budget so let’s plan something.” Just some ideas to take or leave as you’d like! Kudos at working on money communication and for all the management you are doing.

      1. Ashley Avatar

        Ohh thanks for the ideas Kelsey! I feel like having an agenda will get us off to a better start.

        1. Kelsey Avatar

          Yay! Glad to hear that.

  4. Grateful Kae Avatar

    I love how transparent you are with finance stuff on your blog. It’s SO inspiring to see you removing some of the, I don’t know, ” hush hush feeling” that tends to come with money talks. I have listened to that podcast in the past but haven’t lately – I should! It is so fascinating and gives good food for thought. We started using Monarch this past fall and I really like it too overall. I am like you where I’ll get it all “caught up” and will check in daily to categorize new transactions etc… and then I’ll get busy and fall off and then it’s a feat to sit down and go through everything. I find I end up with a good number of transactions I need to ask my husband about (“what is this $50 Zelle from someone??”). I prefer to have just one of us drive updating the actual app because I have developed certain tagging systems, etc. I am with you on the budget date, though! Recently we went out for breakfast, I brought my laptop and we went through all the charges/ reimbursements that I had flagged for clarification. We also have our teen boys’ expenses on the credit card they share with us that I have to sort through and flag by kid- they pay for their own charges but they get mixed in with ours.

    1. Kelsey Avatar

      Thanks, Kae! I wish we had much more transparency around finances in our culture! It seems to be the things we are most uncomfortable talking about that we struggle with more as a society (finances, sex, and death come to mind). But anyway, thank you! The Zelle and Venmo charges in Monarch, yes! Maybe one day they can bring over the description too that would be so helpful. That is interesting that you have your boys share a credit card and pay their expenses! I am not sure when we might venture into credit cards with ours but I got one at 16 to pay for gas and to help start establishing credit, which I think was smart so we might do the same. Thanks for chiming in – I love hearing about anyone’s personal finances!

  5. peanutmystic48e0cec748 Avatar

    Hi Kelsey! Question for you! Ok your CSP, do you consider your entire “bills” area to be your fixed costs? I am working through mine and trying to draw the line on fixed vs guilt free spending. I’m a recent ITW Ramit super fan and loving the podcast and content! Thank you!

    1. peanutmystic48e0cec748 Avatar

      Btw I have no idea why my username is so weird on here when I comment… my name is Emily LOL

      1. Kelsey Avatar

        Haha! Looks very random! But hello Emily!

    2. Kelsey Avatar

      Hi Emily! Yes I would consider any necessary bills to be fixed costs, even unnecessary things like subscriptions because those are fixed each month and so leave less for guilt-free spending. I have not looked at his CSP set-up in a while but I think this approach mirrors how he talks about expenses on the show. If there are specific line items you are wondering about let me know, or send me an email! 🙂

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